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Snooth User: zufrieden

What's your Choice of Wine Tonight and Why?

Posted by zufrieden, Nov 13.

This Topic is partially intended to start a new thread on daily wine drinking as the earlier topics are just too long and too general.  How about telling us more about your choices and helping me start a new thread for the next generation, so to speak?  The "why" is the interesting part for some of us - but pictures are always welcome; after all, a picture is worth...

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Reply by zufrieden, Nov 13.

I'm going to be a bit of stick-in-the-mud: I am not drinking at all tonight... got some thinking to do.  But I'll be posting something in a few days with a short explanation as to choice.

Cheers and good drinking!

 

Z.

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Reply by Really Big Al, Nov 13.

I plan to open an Albarino tonight, for the virtual tasting at 8:30 PM ET.  I have the 2017 Santiago Ruiz chilling in the fridge right now.   I enjoy the Albarino wines and I don't think I've tasted this one yet.

 

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Reply by Lucha Vino, Nov 13.

The Albarino virtual tasting was fun.  I think the region is making some fab wines at excellent value.

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Reply by zufrieden, Nov 13.

Albarino is indeed a very nice white with a peach or perhaps apricot aroma - often compared to viognier, but rather loosely in my opinion.  From the home province (Galicia) of Francisco Franco (a statue still stands in his hometown, I am told by my former dentist whose family hails from there).  I have not spent much time in this part of Spain but have been thinking of renting a cottage there some summer in the near future - if it seems right to do so and the price, too, seems right.

The mouth feel of Albarino is to my mind more like white Bordeaux - but not, of course, with the same flavour or scent profile... those are completely different.  I also know that this grape goes into a  lot of Portuguese Vinho Verde, and that could be a good thing too.

A nice choice.  I may plug for a bottle in a few days myself. Usually well priced for the quality.

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Reply by jackwerickson, Nov 14.

Opening bottle of Rosso Montalcino am cooking chicken parmigiana 

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Reply by GregT, Nov 15.

Last week I was at a tasting and among other things, they had 20 Albarinos lined up so of course I had to taste through all of them after a few hours of drinking reds. I was familiar with 6 or 7, having sold one of them anyway, and the rest were new to me.

It was late in the day so I didn't note the locations but generally there are roughly two types of Albarino, or maybe a third as well if you use oak. Most aren't done in oak but a few are and those can be controversial for some folks. Anyway, those that are really coastal, as expected, can be made in a leaner style almost akin to a Muscadet with some aromatics. Those a bit inland tend to have more of the tropical fruit notes. But those are just general observations from over the years, not hard and fast rules.

And I've been collecting a few domestics as well, from NY and CA, which I wanted to put into a tasting with a few from Spain but need to find some folks nearby who'd be interested in such a thing. It's becoming a bit more common in CA, so I'm interested in what's happening as people become increasingly familiar with it.

BTW Al - you should have taken that Marques de Riscal home as well. Consistently decent wine year in and year out.

Oh, and Zuf - I love how you started the thread and then declined to add your own contribution! Nice play!

I rarely post about what I'm drinking but last night it was 2016 Tempranillo from a winery in Paso Robles called Bodega de Edgar, a place that deserves a real shout out.

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Reply by zufrieden, Nov 16.

Perhaps due to embarassment.  My most recent taste was a Beaujolais Nouveau 2018.  Actually, if you like a dry wine that strangely resembles a (faux) tropical fruit Lifesaver candy, it's the ticket..  But seriously, for once a year, I rather enjoy it... it is a very good wine for a British-style winebar - especially in late autumn around the time of the "release."

Yes, I know and knew of the hype - which destroyed quality (yes, there were quality primeur wines during the 1980's).  But the supply is now so diminished that quality has increased ever so slightly but noticeably.  The problem is that the village wines by such reputable producers as Drouin seem to exist (alas) no longer in my home turf, and it is too much trouble to order it.

But then, nouveau wines may just be an acquired taste - something like the effect on the palate of tobacco or pot.

Regarding my little ploy, it did work for a week or so, but here I am - even if the effort on my part is rather feeble... and thanks @GT for your tip concerning the Tempranillo Paso Robles Bodega de Edgar.

 

Z.

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Reply by RandyFisher, Nov 17.

I like and drink Cru Beaujolias but it is difficult to find retail. A few years of age tames the sweetness and is where I enjoy it the most. My fav to date has been Louis Jadot's Chateau des Jacques Moulin a' Vent. I found some 2013 on the shelf here the other day for $26, I currently kicking my self for not going ahead and picking it up. You shouldn't be embarassed by what you like. I can't enjoy the Nouveau but if you do, the more power to ya.

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Reply by zufrieden, Nov 17.

I was probably being a bit tongue-in-cheek regarding the Nouveau.  Carbonic maceration - the method used to create these harvest-ready quaffables can inject a load of fruit flavour without making the alcohol content that noticeable.  When I say: embarrassment I just mean that it is not the height of fashion to report on primeur - unless you consider barrel samples primeur, which they are decidedly not.

Anyway, my embarrassment is due to not uploading pictures of some worthier Cru.  But when the time comes, such will appear (I have some dozens in storage).  I am trying out a lot of more pedestrian fare of late - just to see what is being sold as everyday wine.  Unfortunately, I have rather over-developed my palate and assimilated (like some of you, no doubt) a rather expensive taste.  This cannot be helped if your aesthetic is partially a learned sense - something like a 6th sense, one might suppose...

The trick with any wine - even harvest wine - is to get the best.at the best price. No mystery there. Since nouveau was marketed by the likes of Dubeouf for quick cash in the bank, the product rapidly morphed into cheap, stem-infused crap.  I have had nouveau with village appellation (e.g. Morgon), but this is rare.  These wines have a bit more of what most of us are looking for - power, fruit but also some elegance.  Unfortunately, as I pointed out earlier on, these wines are just not often available here in North America - unless you order them specifically, and that is not usually worth it - unless money is no object and you can black out the human suffering that could be assuaged with deferment of certain luxury expenditures.

Just continuing for a moment on greed (you know, the reference to "quick cash").  We know that certain regions famed for their wines are doing much the same thing - especially Burgundy and certain areas of Italy.  There is only so much good land, expertise and climate available... and then there is the temptation to over-crop and reduce the loving care needed to produce something special.  

Well, I accept that le règne de la quantité is at hand.  So be it.  By the way, all that openness to taste is good and well-appreciated - although I think the hardened few that remain here probably share many favourites amongst the wines of the world.

 

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Reply by vin0vin0, Nov 17.

Not a fan of Nouveau, just saying it's not in my wheelhouse, a bit too much fruit and not much else.

Grilling some wild caught salmon so had to open a pinot. Found this '12 Joseph Swan in the back of the cellar and it's hitting all the right notes. The nose is bursting with ripe black cherries and plum. On the tongue there's more black cherry as well as some brighter cherry flavor. Plenty of acid to make your mouth water, velvet tannins and a medium long finish. I think the label is pretty cool also.

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Reply by EMark, Nov 17.

v v, that one looks awesome.

We're having trout, tonight.

 

I'd ordered this one with some Cabs, last summer.  I'm a bit surprised with this.  The winemaker is Thomas Rivers Brown.  I'd tried some Rivers-Marie Chardonnays last spring and really liked them,  This one, not as much.

Seriously oaked.  This one can easily compete with Rombauer.  Lots of vanilla and caramel.  Some tropical fruit provides acid.  I'm sure that many like this style, but I just don't care for it.

On the other hand, if this is what I have to deal with, I have a pretty good life.

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Reply by zufrieden, Nov 18.

Great choices, so I am informed... I do not always have access to these gems.  The weakness of the C$ helps not.  I have gone down to the lower levels of Dantean Hell for a couple of Trappist ales (Westmalle, near the border with the Koninkrijk der Nederlanden, another great land 'o beers). I have been to both countries on a few occasions, but never to Malle itself.  Heady stuff, this beer, but as close to wine as beer will ever get... unless you are an aficionado of the best English bitter ale (which I am not, exactly, but I do like it).

Pictures on one of the longer threads - if you wish to see the bottles or just the wooden cases in my cellar (always a winner... I have been giving them away of late in preparation for a move).

Cheers!

 

Z.

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Reply by zufrieden, Nov 18.

BTW, I lost another 100 entries on the discussion side of things.  Punishment?

:-)

 

Z.

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Reply by EMark, Nov 19.

 

Why?

Because in the California interpretation of this grape, I tend to find a casual, fruit-forward, easy-to-drink wine.  We're having leftover roast chicken, tonight.  This will be just fine/

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Reply by zufrieden, Nov 19.

Love the sweet cherry wine flavours of this grape - especially in Chateauneuf-du-Pape, but also in worthy Cali and Oz wines from old vines.  I see it comes from Ojai not far from Santa Barbara; beautiful country and very nice, elegant wines - if you can get them and are selective.  

I'm pretty sure you are selective, being perhaps lucky enough to live in the Bear Flag Republic itself.

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Reply by EMark, Nov 20.

Ojai is a solid winery.  I, particularly, like their Syrahs.  Interestingly, I have a hard time finding Ojai wines in local retail stores.  So, I buy directly from the winery.

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Reply by zufrieden, Nov 20.

Once you are in love with the wine, then you can surely buy winery direct; that seems to be the way most people do it nowadays, and that way you reduce the tedium and frustration of not finding your favourite wine on the shelves of a local wine merchant.

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Reply by RandyFisher, Nov 21.

Once you are in love with the wine, then you can surely buy winery direct; that seems to be the way most people do it nowadays, and that way you reduce the tedium and frustration of not finding your favourite wine on the shelves of a local wine merchant.

 

Well most of us can. I live in one of those states where you cannot order winery direct or even from a retailer for that matter. I'm pulling all my wine off shelves or not as you pointed out. It's quite limiting.

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Reply by zufrieden, Nov 21.

Yeah, join the club.  I can order wines through a merchant or governent agent, or winery direct in the jurisdiction where I currently live, but there are duties to pay, damage en route, etc.  And then there is the work: some of us (yours truly included) are perhaps getting a bit lazy and a bit less interested in collecting - prefereing to drink most wine shortly following purchase of same.  Ah well, as we get a bit older everything changes a little, I suppose.

But this just depends on your personality, where you are in life, and just how much hedonic interest you have in wine.  I think I have plenty, but there are always people more "keen" in wine appreciation than one's own particular approach.  For example, I do have a few favourite wines, but when you are speaking of near equal quality between completely different products, I tend to prefer variety and exploration of taste.

Perhaps you have the same predilection.

Cheers.  

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Reply by jackwerickson, Nov 22.

Happy thanksgiving to all. Having a glass of champagne while preparing dinner. RCKR if you are looking at a Coravin they’re %50 off now

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