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Can anyone help with some info on this wine

Posted by Gert003, Feb 20, 2016.

We recieved a bottle from our parents and are trying to find out exactly what type the wine is and also a date. It is from peru The info on the Bottle is:

Borgona - Vieja Estiba and Vino Fino Tinto. it is still sealed and looks a few years old.





Reply by vin0vin0, Feb 20, 2016.

Hi Gert, welcome to Snooth!  Not sure exactly what it is you have there but I'm sure some of the other folks here may be able to help you.

In the meantime, you might try contacting the winery directly, here is their web site contact page:


Reply by Gert003, Feb 21, 2016.

Thanks we will see what come up, it is a bit of a mystery

Reply by dvogler, Feb 21, 2016.

Looked like a form of Burgundy.  Good on you Mark for probing. 

Reply by EMark, Feb 21, 2016.

This is pretty interesting Gert.  Thanks for posting.

Like my above Snooth buddies  I ran off to the weboshpere to see what I could find.  It appears that Borgoña Is not uncommon in multiple South American countries.  It was easy for me to find examples made in Argentina, Chile and Peru and the definition of the wine appears to be different in each country.

It appears that the term "Borgoña" on an Argentinian wine is used much like "Burgundy" used to be used on American wines.  That is a dry red wine made from a variety of grape sources.

In Chile, a "Borgoña" is a wine/fruit cocktail similar to Sangria.

I found this entry at the Super Wine Warehouse site indicates that Borgoña from Peru "is prepared using table grapes known in the market as burgundy grapes."  Various Peruvian Borgoñas are described as "Semi-Dry."

It is interensting that you received this wine that was made in Argentina from your parents on their return from Peru.  My guess is that yours is of the dry red wine variant.

The handwriting on the label is fascinating.  It would be interesting if you could get that translated.

Also of interest to me is in the picture of the very bottom label it appears to say 700.  By chance does that indicate 700 ml?  If so, I cannot recall ever seeing a 700 ml bottle.  Obviously, for the last 40-50 years, at least, 750 ml is a much more common size.  If it does, in fact, say 700 ml, some research into historic bottles might give you a clue as to the age.  In fact, if you send that picture to the winery, they may be able to respond with something like "We haven't used that size since . . .," or "We only used that size for wines sold in Peru X years ago."

Please keep us up to date with your findings.

Reply by Andrew210, Feb 23, 2016.

It is part of Burgundy wine made in the eastern of France. Thanks for the additional information EMARK.

Reply by dvogler, Feb 23, 2016.

No, it's not a Burgundy from France.  It's from Argentina.  You can see that on the label.

Reply by Richard Foxall, Feb 23, 2016.

No more from France than Gallo "Hearty Burgundy."  Wrong shape of bottle and, um, the use of Spanish on the label, research into the winery... Well, it's like Josh Billings said (I paraphrase here), it ain't what people don't know that worries me, it's what they know that isn't so.  Nothing like a little certainty...

I can almost translate the Spanish--it's not complicated, just hard to read.  It contains a name that begins with "Victor Hugo Macullon Rodriguez (unsure of the third name) and then "souvenir for a friend."  Well, duh to that.  There's another bit about "souvenir for my friend of Peru,"  with a signature. Peru doesn't have a huge wine industry, mostly fortified like Pisco, so I guess they give their friends Argentinian wine. Probably someone your parents befriended there, more likely a few people, who gave them the bottle and signed it.  

Vino fino tinto" is just "fine (or good) red wine."  "Vieja estiba" translates via Google (sorry, estiba is outside my vocab) as "old stowage," but I'm thinking maybe more like long aging?  Or do they mean that it's like port or sherry which was made to travel the seas?  In which case, it could be a fortified wine.  Which also might explain an odd sized bottle.  Emark is correct that the 700 is the size, because it is preceded by "cont neto," which is short for "net contents," or the amount.  However, Catena Zapata made a wine called "Estiba Reservada" that seems just to be a "reserve wine," so I'm leaning toward the "long storage" or aging idea. 

Do you know when your parents made this journey?  I'd guess the bottle had a few years on it then.  If it is fortified, much better chance it's still drinkable.  Label is shot to hell, but the cork looks pretty solid in the top picture.  When you open this, use a cork puller aka AhSo, not a screw. 

And please don't hit and run--if you drink this, please let us know what it's like.  The Snooth readership loves these stories.  Guaranteed you get followers if you give us some notes, even if just to say it was sludgy vinegar. 


Reply by Andrew210, Feb 24, 2016.

Oh, sorry for mixing everything up... I was reading articles on Burgundy wines when I stumbled on this topic which was quite interesting. Thanks for the translation RICHARD.

Reply by Gert003, Mar 3, 2016.

I got the real story from my in law. He got it from his friend, who got it from his colleague. It was in Richards Bay South Africa around  1970"s. Yes, it came from a ship. The colleague  cannot be contacted to know where he got if from and from which ship. We also don't know how long he had it. If it came from a Sailor or a Shipwreck.

If we want to sell this, what price can we look at?


Reply by Gert003, Mar 3, 2016.

Hi, The Contents don't look like 700ml. It states 700 CM3. Please let me know if you want me to post that part of the bottle.

Reply by dvogler, Mar 3, 2016.

700 cubic centimeters is the same as 700 ml.

It's an interesting story, but as wine, I don't think you could expect to get much for it.

Reply by Richard Foxall, Mar 3, 2016.

Given how far that bottle would have traveled in sketchy circumstances, I'd bet good money it's a goner.  The story, true or not, doesn't make this a collectible wine.  At some point, the winery made a wine with that name.  It wasn't something the world market coveted then, the condition of the bottle makes it hard to date, and the inscription adds nothing.

Now, if the inscription read something like, "To Abe Lincoln, a friend of Peru, from Simon Bolivar, happy 21st birthday,"  you'd really have something.  But it wouldn't be the wine inside that was a forgery (or of interest to anyone).

Reply by Richard Foxall, Mar 3, 2016.

BTW, why is it that everyone who has a tatty old bottle of wine of uncertain origin wants to know its monetary worth?  Doesn't it always come down to that?  We never find out if the wine was good or interesting.  Maybe we need to relabel this site, "(Maybe) Antique Wine Roadshow."

Hmm, I am getting an idea for a YouTube channel.

Reply by duncan 906, Mar 3, 2016.

Something of that age might not even be drinkable

Reply by Richard Foxall, Mar 3, 2016.

Do we know how old this is?  Obviously not from Abe's day.  But no matter how old, Duncan is right.  No bottle treated like that is going to be drinkable.  Now, if the ship had sunk on cold waters, then we might have had something.

Reply by Charlotte Lopez, Oct 2, 2016.

Old is gold :) 

So just drink it...

Reply by dmcker, Oct 2, 2016.



Reply by rckr1951, Oct 3, 2016.

DUNCAN - What you stated is augmented by the history of the bottle, or lack of it per se.  Who would buy it if it was told that it may or may not have been in shipwreck, that it came from a sailor in SA at some point in the 70's. The label is abused and the wine itself is unsung - not a collectors item.

Something else that nobody mentioned-  In the top 2 photos (showing the bottle laying down) I'd say that it is low shouldered at best. Leakage? Oxidation?


Reply by outthere, Oct 8, 2016.

It's low shoulder laying on its side!

Reply by bostonlobsterman, Oct 10, 2016.

Not just low shouldered, it looks substantially lacking in fluid!

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